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May 15th 2006 at 12:58 pm in Conspiracies,Freedom & Repression,Interesting Links,Media, Religion & Politics,Random Rantings,The Netherlands Just reading right here that the two-timing, lying, double-crossing bitch we call Ayaan Hirsi Ali (but is actually called Ayaan Hirsi Magan) will work for the American Enterprise Institute.
Of course, I am not surprised; she’s been sucking up to the US world-wide globalisation policies for ages now; that has always been pretty damn clear to me.
So now it’s official. As of the 1st of September she’s outta here.
Hopefully, this obvious ‘conflict of interest’ shall mean she’s really out of politics in this little country of ours. I have always thought of her as the Dutch Condoleeza Rice, as in sell-out capitalist bitch.
It’s obviously very dangerous that she will be spending time in this ‘conservative thinktank’, sucking Bush’s dick while Rice is holding it. (Eeew, now that was not the picture I was looking for.)











That said, I hope her plane is shot down by FEMA as part of some big terrorism excercise-drill, if you get my drift.
Wishfull thinking, yeh I know..
OK of course I meant NORAD there. But anyways — because she lied to the government she could potentially have her Dutch citizenship revoked. As if it never happens.
The two-timing slut will loose her passport, so won’t be able to travel.
Interesting developments.
Stupid thing is — was this a normal regular woman, she would’ve been deported on the same day, violently even.
This bitch seems to get away with it.
With all due respect, I’m amazed at the hate you throw at Ayaan Hirsi Ali. What has she done that’s so wrong? Oh also, how come you are so angry
What has she done that’s so wrong? I gather you haven’t heard to complete story.
Would you accept it that somebody enters your country under the guise of seeking asylum, lying about her past.
Would you accept it that somebody then used this FAKE history to bring on a Holy War against Muslim society?
She’s the woman that together with Geert ‘Kil’ Wilders had the burqa banned. She again, used ‘the emotional influence’ of her fake story of women being oppressed and shit. Of course, this law doesn’t solve oppression at all — it only removes the symptoms from the streets.
You obviously heard about the movie ‘Submission’ that she made with Theo van Gogh (the son of a dutch secret service agent), that also demonised the culture even further.
The right-winged, stupid, majority only see a black woman saying how terrible the Islam is — and they are easily fooled and honestly think she must be talking fact — a ‘false authority’.
In my humble point of view, all her cheating actions justifies calling her a capitalist bitch, that conforms to the (racist) corporate policy that seems to dictate everything nowadays.
Please understand that I rather have ‘integrity’ in office than a two-timing double-crossing bitch.
Hate is too big of a word too.
It just sickens me that a ‘normal’ person like you and me would be deported IMMEDIATELY, but this two-timing lying bitch even keeps her protection from the so-called ‘terrorist islamic fundamentalist’.
A fued that she HERSELF started by stating all her fucking crap, based on lies.
Then, over-reacting to simple things like people yelling ‘Drop dead’ and calling the police — spending and wasting more and more of the tax-payers money — doesn’t really help stuff either.
So to me, she’s had obviously done plenty wrong. Wouldn’t that make you angry?
Which brings me to the question: What has she done so right, that you think so positive of her?
In Saudi Arabia women aren’t allowed to drive, because it “leads to evil”. In Iran a woman’s life is literally worth half that of a man. The supposedly “moderate” cleric Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi says men should be allowed to beat their wives so long as they “avoid the face and other sensitive parts”. All this is down to their interpretations of Islam. Hirsi Ali is someone who thinks that women should be allowed to drive, should be equal to men and not subject to violence and persecution. For this she gets death threat.
What I don’t understand is how anyone considering themselves liberal or left wing could be on the side of people who want to kill her. You’ve called her a slut and a bitch, and said you hope her plane gets shot down, so evidently you’d be happy for everyone else in the plane to die, just to guarantee her death. You want her dead for saying things you don’t like. That’s not very liberal, is it.
Please take into consideration that this has nothing to do with Islam, per se.
If not accepting lies and charlatanry is considered being ‘non-liberal’ then yeah, I’m not a liberal.
I’m not threatening her death?! I just said I don’t mind if she would. Does that make me a terrorist?
Where did you get the idea that ‘I want her dead for saying things you don’t like’? Do you even know what we’re talking about here?
I don’t mind if she died. There’s a world of difference between the two.
It’s not because I don’t like what she said — it’s the whole situation — which you seem to have a hard time understanding.
You are too focussed on me ranting that I don’t mind her dead. Heck — if person says he doesn’t mind Osama bin Laden dead, he’s being cheered, but if I say something like this directed at a ‘western’ polician, I’m not what I say I am, not a tolerant, liberal being because I condone terrorism and should be locked up? I think you jump to conclusions.
And saying you don’t mind anything doesn’t directly mean you support it. Do I mind cancer? Nope, but I don’t support it.
But, if you find it perfectly acceptable that, in order to accomplish something, the multitude may be lied to and cheated, well, then you should have no problem with that kind of people in your government.
I don’t find that acceptable that people cheat other people for own personal gain — especially in politics. I do not find it acceptable that a person can lie and cheat her/himself into a position to abuse that position. She abused the asylum-system. She lied to the people.
She used her fake story as the basis for some campaign against Islam. That’s wrong.
She used her fake story as the basis to get a Dutch passport. That’s wrong.
If a normal person like you and I did that, we would’ve been deported to our country where we came from the same day they found that shit out — and now money is still getting wasted protecting this woman from childish, empty threats.
Her actions simply undermine the whole idea of a democracy.
How come you reach this conclusion?
Please, first understand the whole issue at hand before comparing me with a group of people that I dare say doesn’t even exist. You seem to hastely jump to conclusions which ain’t very tolerant either, now is it?
That said, I still wouldn’t mind if her plane gets shot down. If it’s wrong to say what you feel — well….
I don’t mind getting put words in my mouth but this is not correct.
Your black- and white look at things makes you focus on the wrong issue: she lied. That’s the issue.
People that willingly fool and cheat on a whole nation don’t deserve to a place in that same society, now do they. That’s why I made that remark, together with the statement ‘wishful thinking’.
In a true free world — there should be room for extreme thoughts, ideas and rants.
Think about that for a while…
Hope you now understand.
Where did you get the idea that ‘I want her dead for saying things you don’t like’?
It was when you wrote “I hope her plane is shot down”. Re. whether or not there are people who want her dead, a Google search for “Hirsi Ali” “death threats” produces more than 75,000 results.
NB I agree that she lied. I’m sure there are lots of people who for whatever reason lie during asylum applications. I’ve never seen anyone get this angry about it though.
Hehe whether or not Bush really sucks dick, Google returns more than 2,390,000 results. That, of course, says nothing.
She, in fact, created this situation herself. If one keeps insulting people, it shouldn’t come as a surprise to get some negativity thrown back at you.
Note that before 9/11 we couldn’t care less if anyone said `Drop dead’. Just a figure of speech, nothing more. Just a few void words. In high school, these words were regularly directed at teachers. No worries at all — I didn’t get the Gestapo at my doorstep.
But; she obviously upsets these folks intensionally, so she can say `That’s freedom of speech‘ while the angry folks can’t even say, for instance, ‘Drop dead you evil woman!‘ because that’s considered terrorism and she’ll be sending the cops at ya (any judge will later say, it’s freedom of speech/ expression but this will never reach the media — only the fact that once again, she has been threatened. I take all those threats with plenty grains of salt, most come from kids anyway, for f..k’s sake…
That is why I, and plenty others are, well, ‘upset’.
So you think she shouldn’t have been evicted then? The other residents of the apartment block she lived in brought a lawsuit arguing that her presence there put them at risk, and was a violation of Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights. The judge agreed and ordered that she had to leave. Do you think he should have told the other residents to take the threats with a grain of salt? They’re just words, after all.
I think it is terribly clear what I think: the moment the truth came out (and her own political party, the VVD knew about her lies before it was made ‘public’), she should’ve had her passport revoked — and herself sent back to the country she said she came from. I told you before, if it was a 15 year old girl that wanted to do her exam (real story), she gets sent back to her country immediately. Hypocrisy, yeah.
So she never should’ve taken residence in that house.
Please note that the ‘death threats’ were posts on the internet by 14-year olds. It had everybody walking on their toes. Silly ain’t that?
Some (non-white) band released a ‘song’ threatening her. She called the police. Guys had to pay a fine or something. A white comedian does the same and he isn’t fined? Hypocrisy, yeah. If it’s a white guy it’s ‘freedom of speech’, but if it’s an upset ethnic group, it’s terrorism. It’s OK to scream “Kill Bin Laden” but you may not express your feelings about the western people? Hypocrisy, yeah.
I have always seen her as a tool for the US, spreading their right-winged conservative policy over here. Every single thing she tried to do in politics seems to prove that, it was always the Islamic culture getting targeted. And if you keep targeting a culture you don’t expect some of the to bite back? Hypocrisy, yeah.
So yeah, the judge should’ve told the other people to take things with a grain of salt. Heck, we’ve had bomb-threats for over 30 years; Dutch folk never took any real notice to that: we took them with a gain of salt. No, now everybody calls the army or police when they see some deserted package or luggage, in fear it might go BOOM! Oh no! 6 hours, and an evacuation later, they later find out it was indeed just an innocent package.
In fact, putting her in a ‘safe’ location should’ve never happened.
Which, actually, never really did happened: as her neighbours knew about the location — that wasn’t a real safehouse now was it? This leads me to think they just put her there to keep her happy.
Do you know the amount of tax-payers money she has wasted with this? That money is surely well spent if put into educational systems which is terribly deteriorating.
This is also something that I wanted to get of my chest.
Apparently, in the media, she’s made out as this big important, and really ‘good’ politician: Readers Digest, for instance, nominated her for politician of the year, and also in the US its apparently all positive what’s said about her.
But that is really not true.
You say, you only see me being upset about this, but really, all my colleagues are upset about this. Our entire household is upset about this.
I haven’t talked to anybody that finds this all OK.
Everybody has disliked that woman because of her weird stance towards society and ‘other’ religions before this was known. Now it’s out in the open she lied, even more folk dislike her.
Only in the media is she made out a ‘positive’ person — because she plays by the corporate right-winged segregational policy that they stand for.
“Weird stance towards society?” What are you talking about? She’s an enemoy of decent, right-thinking society because of her views on Islamic patriarchy and sexism? What society are you referring to? What society do you mean? How is this “society” going to be improved by her expulsion from it?
It’s OK to scream “Kill Bin Laden†but you may not express your feelings about the western people? Hypocrisy, yeah.
I think there’s a reasonable, though slightly dull, explanation for that. It’s the fact that laws against incitement to murder exist to protect those who actually live under their jurisdiction, i.e. in the society itself. Thus in Britain, it would probably be legal to say, “Kill Bin Laden”, but not, “Kill Yvonne Ridley”. Both are Muslims; the difference is that of the two, only Ms Ridley has chosen to grace us with her presence in this country. (Though, actually, there is one blogger who seems to have got away with calling for the shooting of a prominent newspaper columnist, but anyway.)
By the way, I’d be interested – no, that’s putting it too strongly, but anyway – to know for what reason you chose to describe Ms Hirsi Ali as a ‘slut’. Does she, to your knowledge, sleep around? Or would it be other reasons – for instance, her neglecting to wear a headscarf, leaving her husband in uncertain circumstances, or choosing to work outside the home – which qualifies a woman as a slut in your eyes?
which *qualify*. Pardon my grammar.
No worries about grammar.
I didn’t expect my exercise of my freedom to expression would spark of such a debate. Then again, I could have…
Sure some stuff may have come out rough but that’s how I felt at the time of writing. And sure it has calmed down by now. If I done this more eloquent piece, my opinion surely wouldn’t have upset people. But eloquency is not really my style.
Lopakhin: Slut just sounded good at the time — it could’ve been anything negative, and female.
Note that she didn’t neglect to wear a headscarf, she was never forced to wear one.
Note that she didn’t leave her husband in uncertain circumstances, she chose herself not to go to Canada, but go to Holland and use exactly that fake story about being an oppressed Muslim to get asylum here, and use that same fake story as a basis for her crusade against the Islam culture.
The first article in our law tells us that everybody present within the Netherlands, should be treated equally, no matter what race, culture, religion, or other grounds.
Now she gets special treatment because she’s a politician while ‘normal’ people that cheat on their asylum request get deported ASAP, almost violently?
Doesn’t that make you sick? As you must’ve noticed, it did ever so when I wrote that all down.
You’re a really ugly person. This is a disgusting commentry and adds nothing to the debate. I needed to read this to believe it.
She deserves better treatment. I expect this stuff from the National Front.
Grow up.
My rant was absolutely not intended to add anything to any debate.
I really do not understand the fuss — you are all making more out of this rant than it is and wrongfully giving it all the attention that it shouldn’t. That seems to be a recurring problem nowadays.
Navaho Gunleg: I’m sorry I had to read your embarrassing rant. Absolutely disgraceful what you’ve managed to write in this discussion. Absolutely disgraceful. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a hero, and I say that as a socialist. “Sucks Bush’s dick”, grow the fuck up.
Hey, I could’ve deleted it ages ago.
I didn’t. I love those blasts from the past…
I also do not like how people remove stuff and behave like stuff did not happen. I am not like that, I take pride in whatever the fuck I once said…
But anyway, back on point, please Fredrik, explain to my why the fuck that women is a hero in your point of view?
What the frigging fuck has she done, politically, that was good for fucking humanity as a fucking whole?
Let it go, Fredrik, she’s a lie…